Honestly, I think that a lot of kink-criticism that isn’t aimed at men’s behavior gets really patriarchal and victim blame-y and honestly, I think the best criticisms are ones that come from women who participate in kink. People who don’t do it tend to see kink’s window dressing and fail to see what’s going on underneath. While I believe porn isn’t above criticism, I also think that it’s well… just another form of media that’s often misogynist because it’s from a misogynist society. Misogynist porn and Robin Thicke songs are the same thing, cultural products of a misogynist society. Porn as I’ve said isn’t anymore the problem than verse-chorus-verse pop song structures. Like critique porn like you would any other piece of media, treating images of people fucking as if they’re inherently different from other movies is well… inexplicable to me. Porn is media, and if we can critique media we can critique porn, however criticisms of porn in general are like criticisms of TV in general in the era of five thousand channels.
Porn is a huge range of stuff, companies have a huge range of labor practices good and bad. Porn is not a monolith, and I’m baffled by how we so often treat it as one. It’s either all good, or all bad. Like Shallow Hal and the original Stepford Wives are both movies, but if we critiqued cinema in general the way we talk about porn… what would we even get?
Like we can talk about broad trends, like “how come so many female characters in movies have to be hurt before they can become heroic?” or “How come facials are seen as degrading and are also so common in porn?” (personally I think that the idea that ejaculat is a humiliating substance to have on ones face, or to consume is linked to patriarchy, because men see sex with women as inherently subjugating and devaluing of women, and see ejaculat as a symbolic of that subjugation… like I can understand facials themselves cause like it’s a visual indicator of pleasure and an easy shot to get and porn is a visual medium, but the fact that they’re seen as humiliating is misogynist)
Like I see subs wanting to “eat their own jizz” (in their parlance) as an act of subjugation. Semen as humiliation is a patriarchal notion, because it turns what should be an essentially equal act (in terms of traditional hetero sex) into a form of degradation. Like the whole “semen used to degrade” is depressing. I’d like to see semen used to indicate affection or simply joy more often.
I guess the only thing to say is that poor kink-criticism that only addresses women is as bad as any poor one-sided media criticism. I agree with the point an informed (insider) opinion should always be the focus.
And absolutely that about semen as humiliation/degradation. It’s so utterly misogynistic/homophobic/patriarchal.
I guess the difference actually between media criticism and porn criticism is the acting involved, and the exploitation of actors in some extreme kinks.
Like, just, for an example, and going off topic a litte, I had a really long conversation with 2 twenty yr old males about a particular video that one of them had found out about on pornhub of a woman jerking off several men, getting the ejaculate, and making a considerable omelette-type meal out of it, and then eating it. I think that’s exploitation, and shouldn’t be done. What do you think?
I would say that treating the sex act as somehow different from other acts is peculiar. I mean numerous films have put their actors through disgusting situations (Pink Flamingos off the top of my head) but are not porn. I think porn is exploitative when the performer doesn’t have other options (there is no freedom of choice when the metaphorical gun of starvation is to your head), or is being underpaid or is being put in unduly hazardous situations.
I haven’t seen the video, frankly from the content it sounds entirely neutral to me. Like if the actresses was comfortable doing that type of content, and was okay with eating the omelette thing (jizzlet?) and safety standards were obeyed it sounds fine. The jizz being cooked means that even if the actors had something that was orally transmissible it was sterilized so that makes it quite safe, safer than a lot of vanilla acts. Like if the point was that the actress’s character was unhappy about this, that’s fucked up, but if she’s like “Yeah jizz omelette, I love these things. Best breakfast ever” or even “I’m going to show you how to make a healthy and economical breakfast using collected semen” that seems okay.
Frankly, if I had several dudes (or other folks who produce semen) I found attractive that I could put on a pineapple and no meat or booze diet for a week before hand, I weren’t married, and I got to try a sample jizz omelette beforehand (so that I could cancel if it was too gross to eat) I could see doing a repeat performance, hell I might do that without getting paid just for the sheer surrealism of it… I’d probably do it like I was on a cooking show.
Also do we know she was using actual jizz and not like egg whites or something? Because if it was egg whites I would without any real issue show me jerking off my spouse, cut to my kitchen and fry up the “jizz” in a pan and eat it right now (D would never agree to this). Like if the jizz was swapped out, that sounds like a super easy shoot which if you’re the actress, is desirable, if it was actual jizz… it depends on how you feel about the taste of jizz and what the audience is getting out of it if it’s like “HAHA look at that filthy bitch eating jizz” that’s gross, but if it’s “wow, it’s hot how much that lady likes jizz. I am enjoying seeing her enjoy that.” that’s cool.
Like I’d much rather shoot “How to make a jizz omelette” than “Your junk is going to be so sore 5: The chaffening” (basically, porn shoots can require a lot of takes and take a long time, so basically not always super comfortable, but then again Christian Bale starved himself for “The Machinist” so basically… porn performers need more respect for their hard work, and dedication to their craft, and also to get paid better) but yeah, I’d have to see the video to know if it was exploitive or not (and probably ask the performers how they felt and if the crew treated them well and so on)
What I tend to find eerie is smoking fetish videos, because even if the performers are smokers already, there’s something creepy about a fetish for someone taking years off their life like that.
That’s really interesting.
True, exploitation can be in other acts than sex, true.
I hadn’t even thought about the safety of the cooking, I assumed that all porn actors were tested as standard, but you’re right, that’s safer even if they hadn’t been.
I don’t know, because I haven’t seen it, and I don’t watch porn (I don’t want to see anything misogynistic/upsetting), so I didn’t feel comfortable googling it. But I know the boys who told me about it said that they had to speed up the video because the woman took a while to finish the “meal”. Which implies a bit of forced finishing it, and a fairly substantial amount of “jizz”.
Which was, I imagine, not done after a diet of pineapple with no booze/meat. But that sounds like a sensible idea. As does the sample. Which again, I doubt happened in a video on Pornhub.
I don’t know who did the cooking, whether it’s meant to be the actress or not, I might update you later if I find out. Again, I think it’s meant to be genuine semen, not substitute, regardless of whether it might have been.
Again, fantastic thoughts about the practicality of the shoot, and in how it could be recieved.
I didn’t even know smoking fetish videos where a thing, I’ve now learned something.
Found what I suspect is the video. It looks to me like it’s at least partially egg, and there seems to be cheese involved, though the actress says it’s too hot when she first gets the plate (the thing is prepared by a chef), She’s on her knees, there’s a man instructing her to eat… doesn’t look like the flavor is the most pleasant, though mostly it looks like it was served hotter than it should have been (she keeps blowing on each bite)
Towards the end she looks grossed out. It seems to be from a “Fear Factor” themed porno… so that may be for the camera (though the fact that grossed out is supposed to be part of it makes me uncomfortable) and then there’s another one where it’s definitely egg.
Apparently this is a genre, the women vary from grossed out to gleeful.
I think what this says most about porn is “If someone can imagine a scenario, someone has made porn of it and is masturbating to it” but yeah most of these are egg… I would totally eat an egg and pretend it was jizz, easiest shoot ever.
Oh wait and then heres one where they make a regular omelette and an actor jizzes onto it and then the actress eats it. This one says it’s good sounding surprised.
Some of these feel mostly novelty based, and others feel more humiliation based. I will say that there’s a thing I see in a lot of porn where there seems to be a certain resentment towards the actress, sort of a “fuck this bitch and make her really upset” thing, the sort of attitude you get from entitled young men who are turned down, who view sex as inherently an embattled state.
Like, I’m a sub, I’m into doing some humiliating things though for me it’s more of a “Show me you REALLY want it,” like I like the idea of being put through humiliation to prove I want to fuck badly enough, and often the humiliating things I like doing are ones I want to do anyway, but want to be absolved of responsibility for wanting. I’m not against all humiliating or degrading things in porn, for me what rankles is more when sex itself is shown as humiliating and unpleasant, whereas for me sex is the prize (basically I feel like if it’s something I have to earn I feel like my partner takes my consent seriously, because if I refused to jump through some hoop to have it, they’d stop… I’m odd).
Like, if who got degraded was more gender balanced in terms of numbers, and if labor practices were good, and if no one had to do it for survival, and there was enthusiastic consent… I wouldn’t mind it. As it is a lot of it puts me off.
For me it seems like a lot of people who make broad strokes critiques of porn haven’t watched much, or frankly have pretty misogynistic fucked up taste in porn (like you clicked crying dude, that’s on you. My partner doesn’t like anything where the woman doesn’t seem to be having fun same goes for me)
Porn actors do get tested regularly, though some things take a awhile to show up and sometimes slip past the radar.